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Re: PC800: Re: Rattle Dash
Written by Bobb Todd on 10/3/2012 at 12:00 am

At the shop we pulled the dash and panel surround apart a little. You could tell there had been strips of electrical tape holding the 2 together from the inside.

We put 2 1 inch strips of double sided tape in the gap and that got rid of 70 % of the noise.

I think the final solution will be thinner 2 sided tape the whole way across.

Bobb Todd
Owen Sound, Ontario

Message Thread for message #117053

def.n6464
8/15/2012, 07:41 am
89 PC (New to Me)
Well, I have finally completed my semi-restoration project of my 89 PC. It has certainly kept me busy for the last couple of months including a steep (but enjoyable) learning curve.Here is a list of what I did to my PC.(Looks like a tune-up g

    spacetiger_j...
    8/15/2012, 10:40 am
    89 PC (New to Me)
    Great post Def, you have completed a LOT of work - post some pics to highlight the total work completed. Couple of comments in reference to your handling comments: 1. what weight fork oil did you choose? 2. Have you set you initial pre

    unlikelylogi...
    8/15/2012, 03:58 pm
    89 PC (New to Me)
    Def, When you washed and waxed the coolant reservoir did you highlight the level lines with an indelible marker? That, and installing a coolant light, makes checking the level much easier. Seth

      wynndungey
      8/15/2012, 04:12 pm
      89 PC (New to Me)
      I really like the light idea. a momentary contact LED taped in the right location would be easy to live with. I'll look into setting one up and documenting it well if it works. --- In

        unlikelylogi...
        8/15/2012, 08:26 pm
        89 PC (New to Me)
        Wynn, There is a hole in the reservoir where, IIRC, it fits around the thermostat housing. There is enough room in the hole to add an accent LED cluster attached to the tank with silicone adhesive with the LEDs facing the tank. Mine fit a

      def.n6464
      8/15/2012, 06:32 pm
      89 PC (New to Me)
      Seth; No I didn't even think of it! I was so happy I could see the coolant instead of the black residue in the reservoir...great idea though. The MC shop where I purchased parts recommended 10w fork oil so I went with that. Also,pr

    jimhas399
    8/25/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: re:89 PC (New to Me)
    Hey Def, found yur post. That's a lot of work. Mine probably needs all of that and i was hoping to get away on the cheap.you replaced a lot of parts. Question(s): did you make a master list in the beginning and order all at once? Where did you bu

    goldwingman40
    8/26/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: re:89 PC (New to Me)
    Def,If you can find another stock left shock and install it in place of the right shock and set it on the first setting it will be a great improvement. It gives you a 175 pound per inch rate on both sides which is almost the same as the afte

    D
    9/18/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: re:89 PC (New to Me)
    Looking to replace my headlight bulb as the new one I purchased is too dim. Someone posted what they thought was the brightest bulb that is basically plug and play but I can't find it.. I noticed some zenon gas filled bulbs on ebay that are suppo

    Juan Antonio Goula
    9/18/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: PC800: Re: re:89 PC (New to Me)
    I would recommend that you first check the alignment of your headlamp. You might see a significant improvement. Extra hot bulbs have been known to crinkle the reflective surface of the headlight. That being said, I use a 60/100 watt bulb on mine with

    kpinvt@gmail.com
    9/20/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: re:89 PC (New to Me)
    You might want to try running the power for the bulb directly from the battery. There are kits available that run $55 or so from this place:

    jimhas399
    9/20/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: re:89 PC (New to Me)
    Great link, his info and especially faq page should be required reading for every owner doing his own restoration or upgrade. --- In ipcrc@yahoog

    douglasvanb
    9/20/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: re:89 PC (New to Me)
    Another option is going to an HID. I did that last winter. Love it although if I were to do it again, I would go with a different color bulb.Cheers!Douglas

    D
    9/20/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: re:89 PC (New to Me)
    I've been looking into doing the HID. Would you go with more of a yellow colored bulb or blue?Def

    Ting
    9/22/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: re:89 PC (New to Me)
    Def. I'm running HID and I use the 10K bulb. It is a bluish white. Nice and white without turning the world green or yellow. Also, the reflective signs on the road and especially the reflective tape on trucks light up like strobes.My bal

    douglasvanb
    9/22/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: re:89 PC (New to Me)
    Def,I went too yellow with my purchase. I would go another bulb color or two toward the blue. The reason I didn't go with the "cool blue" that all of the kids I shake my fist at when they get on my lawn use is because I HATE

    D
    9/22/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: re:89 PC (New to Me)
    I researched heavily on doing a Bi-xenon projector headlight w/Angel eye on my other bike for the very reason you gave regarding the HID conversion....too much light scattering every which way. Post the type of projector you use when you do this mod.

    RudolphG
    9/23/2012, 12:00 am
    Headlight (Was 89 PC (New to Me)
    I have found the Phillips Vision+ bulbs and the Sylvania Ultra are brighter without using extra wattage. I have used an Electrical Connection relay setup and I currently have an Eastern Beaver Relay kit. I will not recommend one over the other thou

    kpinvt@gmail.com
    9/23/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: Headlight (Was 89 PC (New to Me)
    How did you manage that? It took me over two hours to change the bulb because the wire clip that holds the bulb fell out.

    RudolphG
    9/23/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: Headlight (Was 89 PC (New to Me)
    Having changed it before and many other Hondas I knew how it went together and I had greased everything so I just reached under the fairing and did it by feel. Sitting on my shop stool in my garage I timed myself when I replaced the standard H4 I ha

    literidr
    9/24/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: re:89 PC (New to Me)
    I'm also running HID on my bike. My bulb is the 6000K variety and it is bright white, with barely a hint of blue in it. I also had a problem with my light going out on me. As I paid attention to when it was going out, I realized that it was ve

    douglasvanb
    9/24/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: re:89 PC (New to Me)
    I will be sure to document any crazy things that I do to my PC800's headlight. ;-)

    Ting
    9/25/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: re:89 PC (New to Me)
    Doug. I saw a video on you-too-be where a guy made an angel eye at home. Involved taking a plastic rod and heating in the oven to shape it, then made some cuts, then an LED at each end. I can't remember the exact steps, but it is something that c

    douglasvanb
    9/25/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: re:89 PC (New to Me)
    TingTing,Oooo now you're just trying to get me to do it! But I have to finish the fuel injection first... and auxiliary fuel tanks... and an adjustable (electronic preferably) windshield... Maybe I need to start a poll for all of my PC8

    David
    9/26/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: re:89 PC (New to Me)
    PC Doctor Doug:Your priorities are out of order. Let me help you.AFTER the fuel injection, the windshield project needs to be next in the queue. An adjustable windshield would save me the purchase of a whole new motorcycle (with

    douglasvanb
    9/26/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: re:89 PC (New to Me)
    Dave,You're not helping :-) For the windshield, I've got some pretty good ideas at how I would like it to work. I want it to both change in angle and in height. The angle part is pretty easy. The height change is a bit more diffi

    kpinvt@gmail.com
    9/26/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: re:89 PC (New to Me)
    Doug, I think you need to look for a linear actuator. Larger ones are used on RV's to move slide out sections.

    unlikelyloginname
    9/27/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: re:89 PC (New to Me)
    --- In ipcrc@yahoogroups.com, "douglasvanb" <douglas.vanbossuyt@...> wrote:

    douglasvanb
    9/27/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: re:89 PC (New to Me)
    Seth,Wellllll now... That certainly is interesting! I wonder how that would look going up the sides of the windshield... I don't think that there is enough room in the nose of the PC to hide one of those. That gives me an idea though.

    snsg05
    9/28/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: re:89 PC (New to Me)
    Good Morning,It wouldn't solve the range problem, but if you were to get a NT700 you would have almost the same utility of a PC with fuel injection and an adjustable windshield. You'd also get better brakes as a bonus.

    Tom Rhoades
    9/28/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: re:89 PC (New to Me)
    NT700 should give around 65-75 mpg with 80 mpg possible. With a 3.5 gal tank range should be around 262 milesTom

    wynndungey
    9/29/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: re:89 PC (New to Me)
    And if that was the solution we all wanted, this forum would have a different name. I'm sure the NT700 is a nice bike, but after 100,000+ miles on a PC, it might be underwelming.

    snsg05
    9/29/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: re:89 PC (New to Me)
    Sorry, didn't mean to suggest we all go buy NT700's. I test rode one and thought that even though it had more power and better brakes, it also vibrated a lot more and the engine was much noisier than my PC. Partially because it's more exp

    Tom Rhoades
    9/30/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: re:89 PC (New to Me)
    PC800 has 46hp, NT700 has 43 hpTom

    Jerry
    9/30/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: re:89 PC (New to Me)
    NT700 has more beans, these are the kind of figures I recall:The NT700V's 52 V-twin was upgraded to a four-valve fuel injected 680cc configuration in 2006 and claimed a 10 hp boost to 65 hp. It continues to use a five-speed transmission that

    wynndungey
    9/30/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: re:89 PC (New to Me)
    NT is lighter, but I'm betting that you have to wring the engine out to feel the extra HP. The PC pulls so well on the bottom portion of the tach. Good to hear that somebody likes the NT. I was thinking that it might end up dying in the USA l

    Jerry
    9/30/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: re:89 PC (New to Me)
    http://www.nt-owners.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?1-Main-Category&s=7dc80e7483773ed62cd3bfa90e981d45

    Tom Rhoades
    9/30/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: re:89 PC (New to Me)
    The 43 HP figure for the NT700 was from the Cycle World magazine dyno in current months issue. Full road test. Tom

    Alfred W
    9/30/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: re:89 PC (New to Me)
    Fellow riders, one or two things:The NT700 is an incredible machine and does have a very good millage. From 50 to over 60 depending on conditions. For comparison you always have to take the best possible data. Specifications are also meant that w

    Bobb Todd
    9/30/2012, 12:00 am
    Rattle Dash
    Somewhere along the line I have picked up a terrible dash rattle. I think it started when I had the windshield off to swap a +3 for a +6.Im going to take it apart tomorrow but thought I should check and see if there is some obvious spot to

    Jerry
    9/30/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: re:89 PC (New to Me)
    I think that is rear wheel HP. Jerry

    Tom Rhoades
    9/30/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: re:89 PC (New to Me)
    OF course it is. But there isn't likely to be 20hp loss between crankshaft and rear wheel. 46hp for the PC800 is rear wheel to. Even if it was a 10% loss between the crank and rear wheel the NT would only be about 47hp and the PC would be arou

    Larry Seth Steinberg
    9/30/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: PC800: Re: re:89 PC (New to Me)
    NT700 = NTHow about a 700 group from yahoos?

    Jerry
    9/30/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: re:89 PC (New to Me)
    Tom,I don't know what the total loss may have been (I always thought you could loose up to 15% with chain drive, a little more with a shaft), but most articles I saw cited higher HP at the crank - 65 HP, HP at the crank was about 53HP:

    snsg05
    9/30/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: re:89 PC (New to Me)
    Man! I'm sorry I got this NT700 thing started. I promise to not mention it again. Steve

    Jerry
    9/30/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: re:89 PC (New to Me)
    No worries, perhaps you could start an oil thread ... or one on tires? I don't know if we have ever fully discussed using a car tire on the rear wheel...:-o

    skeandco
    9/30/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: Rattle Dash
    Let us all know how it goes and if you get the rattle to stop or possible causes. I plan on changing my windshield out next year. This group has been very helpful. WNC Steve

    Ting
    9/30/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: Rattle Dash
    My dash rattle turned out to be the slanted panels that the doors for storage and radiator are on. The tabs on either side right next to my knees were broken that the hex bolt screws into. But I put in little rubber spacers next to my speake

    revconprince
    9/30/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: Rattle Dash
    Someday when I have nothing better to do, I'm going to remove all the plastic and spray the back side with rubberized undercoating. The way I see it, killing the resonance in all that plastic would help tremendously.Dave

    Dan
    10/1/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: Rattle Dash
    Did you reinstall the rubber gasket when changing the windshield?Houston Dan

    Bobb Todd
    10/2/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: PC800: Re: Rattle Dash
    Did you reinstall the rubber gasket when changing the windshield?....................Yes it was there. 2 hours of pulling apart left me no closer to a solution. Made sure all was assembled correctly. Stuffed a rag over top of the instrument

    Alfred W
    10/2/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: Rattle Dash
    Hello Bobb Todd,I experienced the weirdest and loud rattles. It all came down to the left speaker cover. You may be feeling the wrong place. Put your hand on those. I presume you hear the noise every time the bike is cold and has not been used. M

    douglasvanb
    10/2/2012, 12:00 am
    PC800: Re: Rattle Dash
    Today all I heard riding my bike to and from work was a dash rattle. Thanks. Thanks A LOT! >:-OCheers!DouglasPS: time to start wearing earplugs on around-town jaunts again!

    Bobb Todd
    10/3/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: PC800: Re: Rattle Dash
    At the shop we pulled the dash and panel surround apart a little. You could tell there had been strips of electrical tape holding the 2 together from the inside.We put 2 1 inch strips of double sided tape in the gap and that got rid of 70 %

    Ting
    10/3/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: Rattle Dash
    --- In ipcrc@yahoogroups.com, "douglasvanb" <douglas.vanbossuyt@...> wrote:

    Juan Antonio Goula
    10/3/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: PC800: Re: Rattle Dash
    Ting,A punster AND a poet. I like it!Juan

    wynndungey
    10/4/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: Rattle Dash
    I used to have a noticeable rattle when the temperature was under 40 degrees. I figured the rubber motor mounts were stiff when cold. Tracing the rattle down and finding out what mount is broken or missing a tightened screw is going to take being t

    douglasvanb
    10/4/2012, 12:00 am
    Re: Rattle Dash
    Hmm... perhaps I should try to track down where all of the extra screws and bolts belong. I've got a small baggie full. So far nothing has fallen off though :-)Cheers!Douglas