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Tupperware Tabectomy
Written by matt_groups on 7/22/2010 at 09:19 am

Wish I'd known about this a couple years ago! Could have saved myself a ton of
JB Weld madness (which all subsequently cracked anyway).

4 oz. of 100% Acetone for 97 cents at Wally World next to the nail polish
remover! A syringe or even a toothpick to "dip and drip" works to apply it.

--- In ipcrc@yahoogroups.com, "BD Pickett" <bp.ipcrc@...> wrote:
>
> How would I attach a new tab to the broken fairing?
>
> Once the tab and fairing are shaped to fit together as seamlessly as possible,
they can be connected together in a couple of ways:
> 1. thermal welding
> 2. solvent welding
>
> The first method requires a bit of practice at melting and molding plastic,
and an electric plastic welder (I made my plastic welder by brazing a flat, oval
piece of copper onto the tip of a soldering iron). I've done this before,
building up complete tabs, but its no longer my preferred method, because its
too easy to melt too much, and if you're not careful, you can introduce air
pockets or inclusions into the welded area, thus weakening the joint.
>
> The second method uses a simple chemical solvent as the agent for fusing the
plastic pieces together. Most of the PC's plastic body panels are ABS plastic
(except for the for flexible bumper covers which are polyethylene, or PE).
Acetone, a solvent, quickly causes ABS to soften (but not PE) and form a thin
layer of liquid ABS at the surface. By coating the edges of two pieces of ABS
with acetone and letting them soften for a couple seconds, you can then press
them together and the two pieces will meld into each other; the acetone quickly
evaporates and the ABS rehardens. Once set, the two ABS pieces are now as one;
there is no dissimilar material like glue holding separate pieces together. The
fused joint is as strong as an unbroken piece of ABS because its now all the
same piece. If there are any residual gaps, these can be filled by mixing a
slurry of finely chopped ABS and acetone and then spreading the resulting melted
ABS paste into any holes or depressions, then allowing it all to set up. (Note -
its a good idea to keep some old broken ABS panels around to use as filler stock
for future repairs)
>
> If you have a crack in ABS, but the piece isn't broken all the way through,
you can paint acetone over the cracked area, then flex that area so that acetone
flows throughout the crack by capillary action. Once the acetone flows deep into
the crack, you may see traces of melted ABS appearing on the surface as you flex
it, indicating melting of the ABS down inside. At this point, let the crack
close up, pressing it together if necessary, and then let it set up. In a matter
of minutes, the crack is welded tightly shut, often invisibly.
>
> If you need to reinforce a repair, you can embed stainless steel mesh into a
layer of JB weld on the backside of the repair, but in most cases of solvent
welding of a simple break, this is not necessary because the welded area is as
strong as the original, unbroken piece.
>
> In Blue Pacific's wreck last fall, a good number of ABS body panels were
broken. In those cases where I had all the plastic pieces, I rejoined them using
the solvent welding technique described above; they are as strong as original,
and in many cases, the repairs are almost invisible because the surrounding
areas were unaffected - something that couldn't be done with thermal welding!
But in the case of the fairing cowl, a great deal of plastic was lost, so this
is why I am searching for a replacement tab that I can transplant onto Blue's
old fairing. If I can't get a donor tab, then I still have the options of
building up a new tab or replacing the panel entirely.
>
>
> Be seeing you,
> Bruce Pickett
> Federal Way, WA
> '90 PC800 "Blue Pacific"
> '93 ST1100 "STimulus"
> '05 GL1800A "Blue's Brother"
> http://bluepc.home.comcast.net
>
>
>
> --- In ipcrc@yahoogroups.com, "pc800dork" <dokiedo@> wrote:
> >
> > Not here to argue - curious how it would be easier to attach a tab? What
method would you use?
> >
> >
>

Message Thread for message #95214

bdpickett
2/9/2010, 08:37 pm
Tupperware Tabectomy
On Leland's PC Annual Tour (P.A.T.) last September, I added to the first day's excitement by scattering bits of Blue Pacific and myself across the countryside. I have since recovered, and I am attempting to do the same for BP. I have collecte

    pc800dork
    2/9/2010, 09:14 pm
    Tupperware Tabectomy
    You can EASILY rebuild the tab(s) with Plastex (http://plastex.home.att.net/) or one of the other similar products that others have posted in the past. You can even reinforce them with a little piece of

    swiftly1...
    2/9/2010, 10:10 pm
    Tupperware Tabectomy
    Looks like $55 and change from Service Honda if all else fails. Dick MacInnes

      bdpickett
      2/10/2010, 04:19 am
      Tupperware Tabectomy
      Actually, MSRP for the "COWL SET, L. FR. (UPPER)", p/n 64214-MR5-870, is $358.53, and the Service Honda price is $244.52 + s/h. And yes, I can build up a brand new tab with Plastex, or PlastiFix, or even with my plastic welder a

        pc800dork
        2/10/2010, 04:43 am
        Tupperware Tabectomy
        Not here to argue - curious how it would be easier to attach a tab? What method would you use? > ...And yes, I can build up a brand new tab with Plastex, or PlastiFix, or even with my plastic welder and supply of ABS stock, however, it

          bdpickett
          2/10/2010, 04:08 pm
          Tupperware Tabectomy
          How would I attach a new tab to the broken fairing? Once the tab and fairing are shaped to fit together as seamlessly as possible, they can be connected together in a couple of ways: 1. thermal welding 2. solvent welding The fir

            pc800dork
            2/10/2010, 04:53 pm
            Tupperware Tabectomy
            Thanks for the informative post - I will bookmark it for later reference! --- In ipcrc@yahoogroups.com, &q

            matt_groups
            7/22/2010, 09:19 am
            Tupperware Tabectomy
            Wish I'd known about this a couple years ago! Could have saved myself a ton of JB Weld madness (which all subsequently cracked anyway). 4 oz. of 100% Acetone for 97 cents at Wally World next to the nail polish remover! A syringe or even a